Mitochondrial Eve lived in the Rift Valley over 150,000 years ago - so she was certainly black. But since when does the WT care about getting the science right?
Coded Logic
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The Society, Race, and an always white Adam.
by nicolaou inokay, it's an old question but we haven't examined it here yet so let's have your thoughts.. adam was the progenitor of the whole human race, from his genes sprang the negroid, caucasian, mongoloid, indo-european and every other race on the planet.. the hebrew people were not selected as jehovah's chosen nation until abram had found favour with god so presumably all races were equal in his eyes before then [as indeed they always have been].. so then, what basis is there, if any, for deciding what adam and eve's skin colour may have been?.
could they not indeed have been black?.
this is a pointless discussion i grant you.
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Demonizing the Watchtower
by IslandWoman inour 'beloved' old faith tried to teach us to hate other religions and all things that smacked of anything that was worldly.
they demonized all things outside of their religion.. are some of us in danger of carrying that same thinking over to our new lives as former jws?
could some here at first start out as an anti-cultist but in time allow this to become a 'religion' in itself?.
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Coded Logic
This is something I occasional see on some threads - some minor detail about the WT is blown completely out of proportion. But, on the whole, I think most on this forum make valid points and are reasonably fair in their critiques about the Borg.
It's also noteworthy that a lot of what we point out isn't necessarily the WT doing something wrong. Rather, it's that what they're doing is completely hypocritical to the standard they hold everyone else too. For example, I have no problem with a religious organization being an NGO member with the UN. But it's the WT calling the UN the "wild beast" that makes the association such a scandal. Or that it says that Elders reporting crimes to the police is a "conscience" matter - but then tells couples they can't hold hands during meeting. Strain out the gnat - gulp down the camel.
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Kate: Thank you for your posts. Much better you're not shitting all over the chess board now.
Crofty: Is there any need to behave like that? I'm not asking you for any information apart from an explanation of your own errors.I hate it when Mom and Dad fight :(
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Dreading the news this week
by Coded Logic intens of thousands of protesters are expected to show up in cleveland this week for the republican national convention.
muslim groups.
mexican groups.
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The Cleveland Police Union has sent Governor Kasich an open letter requesting that he temporarily ban Open Carry in city for the next couple of days. He said he "doesn't have the power".
I think he meant to say he doesn't have the will power.
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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you're too narrow minded
Wow, Kate, make things personal much?
Didn't you just make an entire thread where you cried because Crofty, on this specific topic, said you were being intellectually lazy - and now you're responding with a blanket statement saying he is narrow minded?There's a difference between saying, "Crofty you're being stupid about X, Y, or Z" vs saying, "Crofty you are just stupid". Do you think these kind of blanket statements are going to be persuasive to him? Or informative to anyone else who's reading?
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Dreading the news this week
by Coded Logic intens of thousands of protesters are expected to show up in cleveland this week for the republican national convention.
muslim groups.
mexican groups.
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Coded Logic
Tens of thousands of protesters are expected to show up in Cleveland this week for the Republican National Convention. Muslim groups. Anit-Muslim groups. Mexican groups. Anti-immigration groups. Black Live Matter. Anti-Trump groups. Pro-Trump groups. The West Borrow Baptist Church. Code Pink. And a host of other conservitive and liberal causes.
Suffice to say, there's going to be a lot of contention among the protesters. Protesters mad at the RNC. And protesters mad at other protesters. What really makes this a disaster waiting to happen is Ohio has an Open Carry law and protesters will be allowed to bring their guns. It doesn't matter if its a pistol on your hip, a shotgun draped over your arm, or a assault rifle strapped across your back it's all perfectly legal (ironically toy guns and water pistols will banned in the protest area though).
The New Black Panthers and the Oathkeepers (a white militia group) have also both promised to come armed. I can't think of the last time we had is such a politically and culturally charged event where people with diametrically opposed views are going to be in direct contact with each other - much less armed with guns. Despite the police bests efforts, I'm not sure which the right question to be asking. Should I be wondering if a protester or cop is going to get shot over the next three days? Or should I be asking how high the death toll will be?
Maybe I'll just stay away from my social media and TV this week . . .
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Coded Logic
Hahaha, well said you guys!
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Coded Logic
What did I do that was lazy? Can you be specific please? If drawing conclusions based on the facts is lazy or wrong please explain to me succinctly why this is please.
-KateReally Kate? You’re going to continue to play dumb? It has been explained at least a dozen times on this thread that you’re not drawing conclusions based on the facts but are instead choosing to assert unjustified presuppositions. Rather than doing any kind of research that could potentially verify your hypothesis you’re instead injecting your conclusion into an unknown. That’s not good reasoning. And it sure isn’t science. It’s just plain lazy.
But what the heck, let’s give this one more try shall we?
Your explanation is lazy because you haven’t explained how evolution was guided, what mechanisms were used, when it occurred, who did the guiding, and you haven’t provided a method via which we can tell the difference between guided evolution and non guided evolution. Instead, you’ve just made an entirely unsupported ad hoc and applied it to one of the frontiers of science. Anybody can give an answer for anything. What we care about are explanations that are actually likely to be true.
The claim you’re making operates very much in the majesty of chemistry. As such, before you get to go around exclaiming “Eureka, I’ve found it!” or drawing any kind of conclusions you first have to do the actual work. Your hypothesis needs to be demonstrable with measurable accuracy and/or testable with repeatable veracity. That is to say, there needs to be some kind scientific methodology which we can use to get us from point A to point B.
If you went to the scientific community and said, “Hey look, I have this high fidelity model of what we would expect unguided evolution to look like over a period of 4 billion years and and another one that shows guided evolution over 4 billion years - and look - it shows that the life we observe on the planet right now looks a lot more like guided evolution model.” Then the scientists would say, “Hey Kate, you might be onto something, how can we test this?” And then you would still have all your scientific research, conclusions, peer review, publishing, and academic debate in front of you.
But that’s NOT what you’ve done. Instead, you’ve chosen to be lazy. Instead, you’ve chosen come onto a forum where most people have no formal education in chemistry and you’re attempting to browbeat them over the head with their scientific illiteracy in order to justify your unsupported ad hoc.
Well, I for one am not impressed. Nor am I entertained. You started a thread claiming you were using science (chemistry to be exact) to justify your claim. But when we ask you for the science you resort to a God of the Gaps Fallacy. I cannot make this any clearer Kate, arm chair speculation is NOT scientific research. You know this. And you know what is necessary to justify a scientific conclusion. You just don’t want to have to actually do that work . . .
. . .and you know what we call people who try and take short cuts and don’t want to do the necessary work?
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I conclude evolution is guided
by KateWild inyour qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
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Ruby, you also seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of Occam's Razor. "Simplest" doesn't mean the least complicated option nor the option with the fewest steps. Rather, it means the option that requires the fewest assumptions.
